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Older Dover need part rectifier identified

Posted By: ascendelev

Older Dover need part rectifier identified - 05/11/20 08:43 PM

I have an old Dover elevator and no prints. Vertical Express can't find the prints even though I have a job number. The issue I have is, I've troubleshot the problem to a rectifier, (not getting proper voltage to a relay coil) but I can't identify the actual rectifier. I've attached a picture, any help is appreciated.

Thank you
Stephenie

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Posted By: BillS

Re: Older Dover need part rectifier identified - 05/11/20 09:15 PM

try reaching out to cougar electronics in New Haven CT.
https://cougarelectronics.com/power-conversion-components/selenium-rectifier-suppressor/
Posted By: Indirtwetrust

Re: Older Dover need part rectifier identified - 05/11/20 09:59 PM

Do you know what the output voltage is supposed to be? Maybe you could go with a switching power supply.
Posted By: ascendelev

Re: Older Dover need part rectifier identified - 05/12/20 01:25 AM

Thanks, I'll do that tomorrow.
Posted By: ascendelev

Re: Older Dover need part rectifier identified - 05/12/20 01:26 AM

115 vac or dc, I'll have to check with my tech. I'll see about switching. Thanks.
Posted By: RustyIron

Re: Older Dover need part rectifier identified - 05/13/20 04:56 AM

I could be wrong, especially because I can't see what else is going on, but from the picture I'd guess they're taking three phase and making DC. Is that right? Old rectifiers like that get leaky and weird. Can you just replace them with big silicon diodes? If the circuit is fused, you can get an idea about the current capacity of the diodes you need. If one of them is truly your problem, I'd replace them all.
Posted By: ascendelev

Re: Older Dover need part rectifier identified - 05/13/20 01:01 PM

That part is definitely the issue, we won't be able to make it back to the job until tomorrow. Thanks for your information rustyiron.
Posted By: Rolly

Re: Older Dover need part rectifier identified - 05/13/20 02:09 PM

Also depending on how much the voltage has decayed, if these are the main supply, look for higher voltage is you replace them with solid state. If they supply Gen Fields car could run quite a bit faster. Be careful, safe, and prepared. check car speed. If its for doors, door speed will change with solid state. New units are solid state with supressors to protect inverse voltage from relay inductive kicks and coils.I think Adams sells a replacement made with supressors.
Posted By: Indirtwetrust

Re: Older Dover need part rectifier identified - 05/13/20 10:06 PM

That’s why I suggested a power supply. To avoid any voltage level differences between the old selenium and new silicon.
Posted By: Jblack83

Re: Older Dover need part rectifier identified - 05/14/20 03:22 PM

Have you checked your capacitor between PC and 24D? Majority of my problems with dover's not getting correct voltage to solenoids has always been that booster capacitor. With not enough power to feed the relays those elevators start doing all sorts of weird stuff. Haswell your power board might not be putting out the correct 5 volts DC
Posted By: ascendelev

Re: Older Dover need part rectifier identified - 05/14/20 08:57 PM

Thanks again for all your help.

These are selenium rectifiers, this Dover assembly is obsolete but the rectifiers we can get. I contacted Cougar Electronics, i sent them dimensions so I will be able to get the rectifiers from them, we'll just be replacing the 3 rectifiers. I also contacted PSI (parts specialist inc) they had 4 in stock, but they were nearly $100 per rectifier, quite a bit more expensive than Cougar Electronics.

Thanks again guys,

Stephenie
Posted By: Jblack83

Re: Older Dover need part rectifier identified - 05/15/20 02:32 PM

Those rectifiers do not look or appear to be Mainline. Due to the wire gauge. Probably coming off a Transformer. You should be fine replacing them with the $8 silicone rectifiers. Just throwing a lot of money at Old technology
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