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#7981 - 08/06/13 02:55 AM Why use breaks on geared traction machines  
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A worm gear is a self locking one way gearing system it is always input turns output but output never turns input. With that being said why are there breaks on worm gear traction machines? If the motor isn't moving the shave isn't moving.

#7983 - 08/06/13 03:16 AM Re: Why use breaks on geared traction machines [Re: RCD]  
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what goes up must come down, guess you've never done a full load test

#7984 - 08/06/13 04:14 AM Re: Why use breaks on geared traction machines [Re: sbrmilitia]  
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sure pull the brake off and see what happens i bet you would change your mind.

#7987 - 08/06/13 11:58 AM Re: Why use breaks on geared traction machines [Re: GreenPants]  
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After the car crashes into the overhead and then sets safeties the real fun begins

#7991 - 08/06/13 08:00 PM Re: Why use breaks on geared traction machines [Re: danzeitz]  
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where are these people coming from.

#7992 - 08/06/13 09:45 PM Re: Why use breaks on geared traction machines [Re: john jay]  
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We need to screen better.

#7993 - 08/06/13 09:59 PM Re: Why use breaks on geared traction machines [Re: sccjr]  
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And that people, is why you should only deal with certified elevator technitians.

#7994 - 08/06/13 10:47 PM Re: Why use breaks on geared traction machines [Re: traction]  
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I guess the fundamentals of elevators and law of gravity are too much to grasp for these rocket scientists

#7995 - 08/07/13 12:43 AM Re: Why use breaks on geared traction machines [Re: Philly]  
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What kind of work do you do?


Make good choices,

JKH
#7996 - 08/07/13 02:32 AM Re: Why use breaks on geared traction machines [Re: jkh]  
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RCD

What kind of work do you do?


washing machine tech?

#8000 - 08/07/13 12:48 PM Re: Why use breaks on geared traction machines [Re: sbrmilitia]  
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RCD there is always a reason for a design engineer to add a piece of machinery, always. This is why knowing fully how the mechanicals on a lift or escalator should be known by mechanics as it will lead to disasters like a lift rolling away from a floor. Your idea that a worm gear is a 1 way self locking system is totally false. The crown wheel and/or a worm gear of themselves are completely free to spin as they want, so they don't lock by themselves. Even the hoist motor doesn't have a brake by itself which is essentially why there is a brake drum attached. By connecting the motor output shaft to the input connection on the brake drum, and then the worm gear input shaft also to the brake drum connector this gives the worm gear the appearance of strength but it is still on a snap of the shaft away from running away. Im so glad you spoke up about this instead of testing your theory at the job site. Ask questions mate before you do anything!!

#8003 - 08/07/13 05:47 PM Re: Why use breaks on geared traction machines [Re: uppo72]  
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Wow!

#8012 - 08/08/13 09:03 PM Re: Why use breaks on geared traction machines [Re: Take the stairs]  
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Scary, just goes to show you don't know who you are following in this industry sometimes. I'm all for learning new things, but I wouldn't attempt brain surgery, not without the days course they run anyway! Lol

#8016 - 08/09/13 01:28 AM Re: Why use breaks on geared traction machines [Re: Dmhughes]  

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I'm wondering if this thread was originated by an office manager trying to cut cost? laugh

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#8017 - 08/09/13 01:36 AM Re: Why use breaks on geared traction machines [Re: Dmhughes]  
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Ahh the enthusiastic university student. Got to love 'em, they know so much and yet not enough to get it right. Have a university on service and the head whatever of the engineering department has a formula to determine when the drive will go bad within a week of his predicted date, date is written on the drive and I can't wait.

#8019 - 08/09/13 02:26 AM Re: Why use breaks on geared traction machines [Re: Ibconelson]  
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So everyone knows that a worm gear will not hold a load but no one seems to know why.

#8023 - 08/09/13 03:28 AM Re: Why use breaks on geared traction machines [Re: RCD]  
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Originally Posted By: RCD
So everyone knows that a worm gear will not hold a load but no one seems to know why.


So your saying the worm gear will hold the car? Please explain.....Go prove it take the brake off a geared car around the 2nd landing and see if it works wink

#8024 - 08/09/13 03:58 AM Re: Why use breaks on geared traction machines [Re: sbrmilitia]  
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I thought gravity was a clear enough reason. Oh, and add #10,000 lbs. in addition. Clear enough?

#8026 - 08/09/13 04:01 AM Re: Why use breaks on geared traction machines [Re: Philly]  
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Every single one of us has been in the situation of an elevator "free-wheeling". Trust us, your theory is Crap.

#8027 - 08/09/13 04:31 AM Re: Why use breaks on geared traction machines [Re: Philly]  
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