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#9350 - 12/31/13 08:38 PM Tac 50-04 681 fault  
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Has anyone ever had a 681 fault on a Tac50-04 MRL? Problem is intermittent and all signs point to the absolute encoder.

#9351 - 12/31/13 10:05 PM Re: Tac 50-04 681 fault [Re: Light_seeker357]  
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Whats the fault description? It's been a while but I have adjusted several 50-04's when I used to work at TKE.

#9354 - 01/01/14 02:29 AM Re: Tac 50-04 681 fault [Re: traction]  
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Encoder response failure. Encoder failed to return a position reading upon request.

#9355 - 01/01/14 02:41 AM Re: Tac 50-04 681 fault [Re: traction]  
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Encoder response failure. Encoder failed to return a position reading upon request. Elevator runs fine for a couple of days then shuts down at the initial start of a run, never in flight. Checked encoder power supply, changed out encoder interface card, also checked MC1 & BRK1 contactors still no luck.

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#9356 - 01/01/14 03:50 AM Re: Tac 50-04 681 fault [Re: Light_seeker357]  
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How's your levelling accuracy, or more importantly repeatability? Double check how close the counts are.

Likely swapping the encoder will resolve the issue, but you might want to check for buildup on the gov and idler sheaves, and make sure the encoder is properly secured.

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#9370 - 01/02/14 05:05 AM Re: Tac 50-04 681 fault [Re: traction]  
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Which MRL machine? German or Torin? absolue encode is on the machime change it perform a ecnoder calibration boom goes the dynomite

#9392 - 01/03/14 01:05 PM Re: Tac 50-04 681 fault [Re: traction]  
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Leveling is usually pretty accurate & counts are close. Encoder seems secure but I'll check the governor for any build up. Thanks

#9393 - 01/03/14 01:06 PM Re: Tac 50-04 681 fault [Re: sbrmilitia]  
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It's a German machine. Seems that to perform an encoder alignment the ropes need to be clear of the sheave. Smh...

#9401 - 01/04/14 02:42 AM Re: Tac 50-04 681 fault [Re: Light_seeker357]  
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Negative I dont remember the command but you dont hsve too. That encoder has goofy way it connecte to the shaft pay close attention when you change it.

#9429 - 01/06/14 04:25 PM Re: Tac 50-04 681 fault [Re: sbrmilitia]  
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Thanks. Will do, glad there's no need to remove ropes from sheave.

#9456 - 01/08/14 11:38 PM Re: Tac 50-04 681 fault [Re: Light_seeker357]  
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I've changed two of these before without pulling the ropes. On a car today at another job no luck kept getting encoder faults had to remove rope and run thru the set up like done from new contstruction. So now I'm not so sure sorry.

#9942 - 02/26/14 09:38 PM Re: Tac 50-04 681 fault [Re: sbrmilitia]  
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Doing this encoder alignment process now. Replaced encoder for 690 fault. Did not resolve issue. Swapped all boards. Brakes are picking. Frustrated.

#9948 - 02/27/14 02:32 AM Re: Tac 50-04 681 fault [Re: dsmithelev]  
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On my t4's when I got those encoder response failures its nothing to do with the encoder at all. The car was unable to make run due to something in the logic so the encoder timed out due to no movement. I've had aux contacts cause it, I cant remember the name of the relay but one of the contacts is after saf3 and between the S coil has caused it. this is on a t4/tac50 so it does not apply to the 04's but the point I'm making look in other places then the encoder for reasons why the car did attempt to move but the logic was not correct to allow a run.

#9950 - 02/27/14 09:47 AM Re: Tac 50-04 681 fault [Re: sbrmilitia]  
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Also check the Power Supply to the Encoder for "ripple". Grounding and shielding could also cause those problems.

#10862 - 05/28/14 11:59 PM Re: Tac 50-04 681 fault [Re: Rolly]  
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tac 50-04 very affected by noise make sure grounding is perfect only on one end

#10871 - 05/30/14 01:15 AM Re: Tac 50-04 681 fault [Re: mar]  
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Is your low voltage wiring completely separate from high? I have a similar problem from noise because my LV is wire tied to my HV. I am getting 10VAC on my BSLM which is causing interference on my BKE BKD I/O. Do you have logfiles setup?

#10968 - 06/10/14 02:22 AM Re: Tac 50-04 681 fault [Re: Elevatormike]  
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I just received a notice to remove the 1/4 " bolts from the MC1 relay isolation. Thanks for the heads up. ?? Anyone know about this?

#11072 - 06/21/14 03:00 AM Re: Tac 50-04 681 fault [Re: Elevatormike]  
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im a bit late but I agree with sbrmilitia. ive had aux contacts that were bad that have thrown me for days of troubleshooting.


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