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#2385 - 01/22/12 12:18 AM
Otis 22CT geared machine, worm gear removal
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On an Otis 22 CT geared machine- circa mid 1970's- (basement traction) Doing a Worm gear removal. After landing the counterweight, and hanging the car- Ring gear has already been removed, now replacing the worm gear.
1. Remove flange mount motor. 2. Remove thrust bearing cover. 3. Remove three allens holding thrust-to-worm retainer plate, set aside. 4. Remove bolts holding brake-side worm bearing retainer plate, (where the shaft seal is). 5. Remove brake spring, loosen brake shoes off, clear of brake drum. Worm now spins freely. 6. Tug on brake drum, pulling worm out of machine from the brake side. There is a spanner nut, that holds the brake sheave onto the worm. It is recessed, where a spanner wrench won't fit onto it. We could coax it around with a single jack and a punch, but there seems to be no reason to do so, since it looks like the brake drum can come out with the worm together as a unit.
Did all this, but worm gear will not come out of the gear case.
Brake side worm bearing looks like it just presses in, perhaps more force is needed to pull this bearing out with the worm?
Thrust bearing inner race will spin on end of worm, suggesting the thrust bearing is not seized to the worm shaft. Perhaps the worm gear comes out from the thrust bearing end of the machine? Any ideas? Have I missed a something? Also- Are the sheave shaft bearing caps eccentric? Seems to be no obvious way to adjust the backlash.
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#2388 - 01/22/12 05:39 PM
Re: Otis 22CT geared machine, worm gear removal
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Uppo, looking at the worm gear, it has two bearings, one on either end. One is the thrust bearing, the other is the idler bearing, (the idler bearing is by the brake sheave end of the machine). Both bearings are pressed into the casting from the outside, into the machine housing. In both cases, if either one of these bearings is removed, then the worm gear could pop out either side of the machine. Because both sides worm bearings are larger than the worm, so once the bearings are out of the way, there is no obstruction to the worm coming out. So it looks like it could go either way. I'm just puzzled why it isn't moving yet. I'm gonna put some light pressure tonnage on the worm, pushing from the thrust bearing end, to try and push it out through the brake end of the machine. I think maybe that bearing on the brake side of the machine is pressed in under some fair amount of pressure, so it will have to be "squeezed" out, with the worm.
"Crown wheel", sure, that makes perfect sense, even though it's the first time I heard that term. If you wanted to take the worm out, without first removing the crown wheel, maybe you could unscrew it as you pull it out? IDK, just wondering.
What are "packers"? Is that what we call "shim" plates? You know, little thin pieces of metal, used to adjust parts of machinery?
This sheave shaft has no shims anywhere, to raise and lower it. On each end of the sheave shaft, there are angled pin-roller bearings, which ride in removeable outter races. These outter races have horizontal bolts, threading into both the machine casting, and the crown wheel cover. The race itself becomes a "fishplate" of sorts, securing the top cover onto the lower machine casting. It is not possible to fit shim stock into this arrangement, to effect any change in ring height. The only possibility would be if the outter races were eccentric, then they could be rotated, and the ring would raise and lower according to the degree of rotation of the outter race(s). But the 6 bolt circular hole pattern means that the adjustment would be in steps, and not infinitely variable. Doesn't seem likely that Otis would do it this way. Of course, the worm has no ability to move vertically either.
Looking at the outter races, there is no apparent eccentricity to them, either.
Weird.
Last edited by Vic; 01/22/12 05:45 PM.
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#2394 - 01/23/12 03:29 AM
Re: Otis 22CT geared machine, worm gear removal
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Hmm, interesting...
Thanks for checking around, I sincerely appreciate it.
For the backlash adjustment, I don't think this particular machine is the same as you describe, but I will take another look at it tomorrow.
It sounds much easier to take the worm out from the thrust bearing end. I can see how that works- because the thrust bearing is made to be replaced, so it's easier to take out. Whereas the other worm bearing, (closest to brake end of the worm), doesn't generally need replacing, since it doesn't operate under as much end-play stress as the thrust bearing. So the brake end bearing is probably pressed in, which explains why the worm didn't budge, under tension applied from the brake end.
Unfortunately, this machine is facing the wall, so taking the worm out through the back end, (thrust bearing end), isn't a practical option. I wanted to swap in a good (but used) worm, because this worm is somewhat pitted. I don't want the pitting to wear away a good ring gear.
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#2395 - 01/23/12 05:22 AM
Re: Otis 22CT geared machine, worm gear removal
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you know what i just realised that there may be no room for a rear exit. man i hate when they dont think about this.i was told you should be able to knock the worm assembly straight out when uncoupled from the brake. also the shimming of the crown wheel assembly is on for teeth matching (depth) and balance for the crown wheel so no eccentric stuff happening there. have a look and let me know.take a couple of snaps of the rear for us to see what going on there if you can.
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#2403 - 01/24/12 03:50 AM
Re: Otis 22CT geared machine, worm gear removal
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Ok, seems the worm comes out very easily from the thrust bearing end, just as one would expect. The idler bearing on the worm at the brake end of the machine is pressed in, and the worm won't go out that end, unless you pull that pressed-in bearing. So if your machine thrust-end is facing a wall, you have to unbolt it from the bedplate, and spin the machine around. As far as "backlash", I'm referring to the gap between the crown and worm teeth. Maybe it's just confusion of terminology.
As I read your post, I think you are describing the "end play" of the worm, the distance it can slide back and forth horizontally within the machine. At any rate, my 22CT machine worm gear does not have a threaded end, no spanner nut, and no bolt to adjust it in any direction. It has a retainer plate, that locks the worm gear into the thrust bearing inner race. It's held on with three allen bolts, then safety wired.
Someone said that there are no adjustments for the wrom-to-ring engagement.
Going back tomorrow to finish up.
Last edited by Vic; 01/24/12 03:52 AM.
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#2416 - 01/25/12 09:44 PM
Re: Otis 22CT geared machine, worm gear removal
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