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#3426 - 05/04/12 02:28 AM dover t4 struggling  
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hello to all i'm struggling with a t4 problem car stopping in flight causing drive problems and communication faults-could this be from the mc aux contacts or perhaps the bk aux contacts being bad --any tips would b greatly appreciated

#3436 - 05/04/12 06:06 PM Re: dover t4 struggling [Re: iuec4me]  
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Could also be the tach or encoder. Had a bugger of a T4 problem awhile back and that turned out to be the drive (DC). That one would also stop in flight along with many other issues.

#3437 - 05/04/12 07:42 PM Re: dover t4 struggling [Re: galaxy]  
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Which faults?
Directional?

Not a lot of info with your post.


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#3440 - 05/04/12 11:45 PM Re: dover t4 struggling [Re: Broke_Sheave]  
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mostly 56 and 54 errors occasional 55 -from the info I have it leads you in numerous directions from bad board to inputs etc -well the relays are on order if that doesnt fix the prob - guess it becomes a elimination game -not to fond of the t4 lol

#3441 - 05/05/12 01:19 AM Re: dover t4 struggling [Re: iuec4me]  
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A 55 fault is usually caused by clipping door locks. Check the locks and gate.


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#3442 - 05/05/12 01:30 AM Re: dover t4 struggling [Re: selfproclaimed]  
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already checked the locks --even found some bad pick up rollers lol getting the maintenance done shooting some trouble

#3443 - 05/05/12 01:35 AM Re: dover t4 struggling [Re: iuec4me]  
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the 55 flt probably was me picking the lock in flight --my gear is on the job and I remember the 55 flt but this is my first t4 so i'm not familiar with remembering what all flt numbes are -disregaurd the 55

#3451 - 05/05/12 01:39 PM Re: dover t4 struggling [Re: iuec4me]  
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Is it in one direction?

Connections, connections, connections on T4, also aux. contacts, brake and M contactor contacts.

I struggled with one that wound up being the voltage monitor. After the unit ran a while it heated up, started drawing more across a weak voltage monitor and it would fault quickly and reset causing a cycle affect on everything and throwing many non related faults from the CPU.

#3453 - 05/05/12 02:30 PM Re: dover t4 struggling [Re: Engine31]  
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I agree with Engine31, check the voltage of you power supplies also...


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#3456 - 05/05/12 03:45 PM Re: dover t4 struggling [Re: ifrratedpilot]  
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What drive do you have, DSD 412?????

#3461 - 05/05/12 11:11 PM Re: dover t4 struggling [Re: Administrator]  
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thanks for the geat ideas and comments -grasping for straws on this one but this is a job that is not mine im just temping out of town on a another brothers route -I will check the drive info and get back on here for a update -I was tipped in leading towards the aux contacts and relays on the unit -only monday will tell but I greatly appreciate every suggestion that everyone has -this is a great forum that I just happened to find -thanks again brothers have a great weekend and always work safely

#3462 - 05/05/12 11:16 PM Re: dover t4 struggling [Re: iuec4me]  
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it seems to happen as the car takes off - acts as if it is clipping locks- but its not clipping locks have ran the the hoistway and checked them already-- it will do it at various floors and only in the up direction leaving the floor -

#3464 - 05/06/12 03:27 AM Re: dover t4 struggling [Re: iuec4me]  
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How about that pit equipment? Gov tension sheave etc.

#3466 - 05/06/12 03:26 PM Re: dover t4 struggling [Re: Robert Krieger]  
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robert I believe this unit does not have the tail sheave switch feature -its a walk in pit so Ill take a gander but wouldnt a flt or error code show up in the safety string or something of that nature -me being unfamiliar with this unit im not sure -but I will look into it -thanks for the lead

#3468 - 05/06/12 09:36 PM Re: dover t4 struggling [Re: iuec4me]  
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you may have some "tired" modules in your card rack also, being its a T4 which I suspect may be 15-20 years old. also, clean and reseat the cards.

try running it on machine room inspection and wiggle the card rack, see if it shuts down.

send me a plane ticket, id be more than happy to find the problem... LOL !!! 2 hours tops when I get on site. ( at 1 time i was a regional adjuster for TKE, back home with the big O now, 33 years in business )


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#3470 - 05/06/12 11:30 PM Re: dover t4 struggling [Re: ifrratedpilot]  
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check if there is pit door switch that it works even when u pull on door...had one that opened when the car ran down to bottom floor , but it wouldnt happen every time !

#3471 - 05/07/12 12:02 AM Re: dover t4 struggling [Re: tommycakes]  
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parallel as many contacts as you can in the BK circuits, MC, and any others listed in the 54,55,56 fault codes, sounds like you just have a controller showing its age.


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#3481 - 05/07/12 03:06 AM Re: dover t4 struggling [Re: ifrratedpilot]  
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send me a train ticket, i guarantee 1 hour or less. :} and that includes the coffee break. :}

#3483 - 05/07/12 06:34 AM Re: dover t4 struggling [Re: Scott Davidson]  
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These are all good ideas and the BK and MC or anything else that uses a Sprecher Schuh type of relay, are always suspect. I would try swapping PMI cards with another car to see if I could move the problem. The modules do actually get old and the internal led diodes start to fail. This can be a bitch to find as they become very intermittent. Usually PMI 1,2 are your most critical but I have seen them throw an extra GL module on a PMI card further on down the line especially if one car in the group has a rear opening. One of the other critical things that fail is the main 5 volt power supply. I have seen the two remote sense adjustment start failing thus shutting the power supply down with the car in flight.

#3485 - 05/07/12 12:27 PM Re: dover t4 struggling [Re: Smitty]  
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Originally Posted By: Smitty
These are all good ideas and the BK and MC or anything else that uses a Sprecher Schuh type of relay, are always suspect. I would try swapping PMI cards with another car to see if I could move the problem. The modules do actually get old and the internal led diodes start to fail. This can be a bitch to find as they become very intermittent. Usually PMI 1,2 are your most critical but I have seen them throw an extra GL module on a PMI card further on down the line especially if one car in the group has a rear opening. One of the other critical things that fail is the main 5 volt power supply. I have seen the two remote sense adjustment start failing thus shutting the power supply down with the car in flight.


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