I have a dmr only running slow. Also slow on inspection. Any help would be great

both directions?

need more info. is that crazy selector advancing? are the high speed relays on the controller pulling in?

does it have the secondary slowdown swith on the governor?

Like ifrratedpilot said, need more info. That system will run "fine" with numerous problems. How many FPM is the car? Does it have a rotating amplifier?

Yeah...Like they said...

Check transformer feeding regulator board!!!!!

Crazyjeep are you from St.Louis?? We just fixed the same problem this morning!!!!!!

Depends on what vintage DMR he has, the later units did have a regulator board, the older units were all relays and timers.

I have 4 Mark 5 DMR's still in operation, 21 floors with a swing car.

There have been times we have had to kill the lighting in the machine room, and throw the disconnects in, one at a time, including the dispatch panel, to look for the sparks on the controllers to find the bad relay coils.

Building owner won't spend a dime on them so he's getting eaten up in callbacks and obsolete clauses.

Too dumb to MOD.

I'm sharing some of that road too. Three cars servicing 12 floors and we keep them running. But it is at a cost! Although they have been saying they want to MOD their equipment. I'm not holding my breath for that. I just tell them they are putting good money into 60 year old equipment.

I'm sure they know either way I'm making money.

jkh<<<>>> 33 year mechanic here, i dont have the time, the interest or the energy to Screw with this antique Crap anymore, needless to say, the patience. Crap should have been a MOD 30 years ago. JEW MF'r won't spend a dime but I lay it to his ass on callbacks, ties up 1 man every day.

You put new parts on a YUGO, you still got a YUGO.

Well we are Moding ours. Lowrise side was 4-- 12 stops. 1 and 4 hoistway are being converted to electrical chases.Cars 2 and 3 are being moded. As the building is being converted to data storage. The 4 cars on the 18 floor high rise side cars 5 and 6 removed divider beams relocated and 10K lbs HW geared frate installed. This car will now stop at every floor with 12ft Courion byparting doors. Cars 6 and 7 will be Moded too. We are using Motion I box controll with GAL MOVFR operators on new cabs. The Westinghouse gearless machines are recondishioned on site. Why cheeers could be heard as the old controllers hit the scrap dumpster. It was kind of sad to see 4 gearless machines hit the scrap yard. We also converted and old 3Klbs Westinghouse hydro (with the old round tank) into a 20Klbs. New Jack, rails well everything but in the same old footprint. Hardest part of the job was stacking 20Klbs in that small of space. We are currently about to finish the second lowrise car and the new 10Klbs 18 stop on the highrise side. Whith the 2 highrise side Mods next.

Nothing wrong with these 50+ year old gearless 500 fpm machines here, just the controls and GAL door operators and hardware are shot.

I don't like MCE or E Controls, they are still very proprietary and competitive. If the customer is going to spend that kind of money, go with a product like TKE, or OTIS.

No parts and pieces, no jury rigging, the whole 9 yards from a solid company with the service to back it up, instead of a mom and pop fly by night low bid deal, who have no idea how to make it run or work, OR STAY IN SERVICE FOR A DAY!

I hear you guys...The problem with all this stuff is two fold...

1st..Anybody that really knew this stuff is dead or retired...
2nd..With all the electro mechanical functions of this stuff it actually requires extensive maintenance time, which nobody has the time for anymore, much less the knowledge....

Pittsburgh is still loaded with RSBL, ERL, REL, DMR, and Mark V. But they've got Gettysburgh right down the road for support and parts.

I remember handing a DMR reg card to a REALLY good board tech a few years ago. Nothing on it but a few UJT's, resistors, and caps. He spent 3 days chasing down all the cirucitry, and ended by shaking his head in amazement.. His comment that stuck with me was...

"People have always been smart. They just had less to work with back then, and Westinghouse had some terribly smart engineers"..

hey danz can you get some pics of these westinghouse machines and controllers as we used to use westinghouse running gear here(aus) and i wanted to know if it is the same stuff.

thanks

uppo72 I will try to get some pics up. As far as mom and pop shops!! Well that is exactly what we are but let me assure you we are also THE shop in St.louis. We started in 99 with 85 units and 3 IUEC members. We are currently the largest employer of IUEC personal in St.louis! Routes are kept to around 110hrs of maintenance. 1hr a month hydro--2hr a month traction--weekly on gearless. We cover routes on vacation. Testing is preformed by a crew and is not counted as a maintenace visit. All 16 routes are clean and painted no SHOW jobs. We are NOT the cheapest in town. Nor do we need to be we regularly charge and up front fees to put elevators back in shape before they are turned over to the route mechanic. Our construction mod departments are exspected to pass inspection the first time with any failures belonging to the contractor. Units are fully adjusted (no factory pre sets here) we regulary have cars run the first year with no call backs! Over 2/3rds of our route mechanics had 20 plus years at their previous employment. And at the end of the day the owner makes a profit!! How the big boys with their own factories and all the advantages seem to struggle?????

thanks mate it would be great to see some before and after shots!!!!!!!!

Westinghouse didn't call that board a regulator card in a DMR control. I'm assuming by regulator card you guys mean the "acceleration device"? I had a problem once where the car would slowly move up in either direction. I found a blob of solder on the pileup separator on 32 relay. I can't remember which contact it was but when the car is not running (32=running relay)it shunts out the acceleration device. Also, the old style sockets were compression type and they upgraded to plugin sockets later- the compression type will cause lot's of problems.

E-man<<<>>> good one, i'd check the "ladders" on the foolish relay contacts.

Had a 4 car group not dispatch because the phenolic ladders were worn on the FH? FX? relays.

Yep..

Being from a Big "O" background, the thing that always bugged me about circle W, was the one fuse for 30 pages of print, and all those solder connections...I'd work on the stuff, but never really liked it. Which doesn't mean it wasn't good stuff. All depends what you're used to. I know guys to this day that swear Armour TMS 900's were the best stuff made, and others making the same claim for composites...

Thank god for those guys...LOL..

Oh.. and the Mark IV dispatchers that would blow a fuse every week. Usuall on Friday afternoons at 4:00 P.M. When we modded that one, I quipped the new Swift 5000's we put in were going to have the same problem...

Problem was a shorted wire in the duct going to the dispatcher panel in the lobby..Found it right before the mod. We had more in-line 1/2 amp automobile fuses stuck all over that dispatcher, before we found it..

You're right. It is all in what you're used to. Circle bar W can be tuff to work on - 40 year old cold solders, the PIA 2 hour job of changing a 45 or NA/NB relay, speck of dust in an ES relay contact shutting a car down... At least they had the sense to put in a hand/auto and door switch! These old Otis and Dover units that you have to pull a freaking wire off of terminals that the markings have rotted off is about beyond stupid. All they had to do was install $2 toggle switch to make a mechanic's routine so much easier. I've been trying to get switches installed over the years on my O and D equipment in my spare time, trouble is I don't have any spare time.

Sorry for the delay. Found the constant voltage transfomer bad.