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#10369 - 04/15/14 12:30 AM
Re: Schindler FMM 200 Machine with STM Steel Belts
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why do people INSIST on getting non proprietary stuff....how many times on here is someone asking a question of a company that went out of business with NO backup etc....MOST of the major companies have been around or 100 years so that must mean something!!!!...and nowadays anyone can get the info if they know where to look or who to ask on the proprietary stuff anyway. Unfortunately not every company creates products that are equal, at the end of the day it is the quality of service provided that matters most. One really need to take a long look at what best suits the customer, not what best suits the company. In general the bigger companies provide a superior product,and the non props provide a cheaper product. In general going with the OEM means you are stuck with them as your sole option for service. So like I said it ultimately comes down to how well the company you choose treats you as a customer.
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#10370 - 04/15/14 12:39 AM
Re: Schindler FMM 200 Machine with STM Steel Belts
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Sorry traction I disagree with the comment of "at the end of the day, its the quality of the service that matters most". I give you a piece of junk, service it, with a master service technician, its still a piece of junk, serviced superbly. Now take a work horse Like a DMC, service it with a cheap imitation tech, its still a great product, damn near bulletproof. If that scrub can keep his hands off it, and clean the sills, might run for 15-20 years.
To the OP, ALL PRODUCTS have gremlins and kinks to work out when they are brand new. Otis gen 2 governor, Thyssens Crisis, oops I mean ISIS. If you are comfortable being a bit of a guinea pig, go for the belt drive. There is always a bit of a risk being on the cutting edge of technology...
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#10415 - 04/19/14 03:43 PM
Re: Schindler FMM 200 Machine with STM Steel Belts
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A couple of facts about the Gen 2-
-The belts are conservatively rated by Otis. 25 years is the median they will quote. I have spoken with engineers that rate them WAY higher -The belts are monitored by a proprietary system that constantly scans for internal breakages. This makes Otis the only manufacturer that does not have to replace the suspension means after a set amount of runs. -The governors on the overslung Gen 2 units had problems early on with sheave degradation. Otis fully stood behind them and replaced them and continues to replace any of these units that show abnormal signs of wear.
Schindler's steel belted unit has a 1 million run limitation (pretty sure about that number). Per ANSI code, they must then be replaced. The 3300 has a maximum rise of 98 feet- Otis's is 300'. Per Schindler's website, the max speed is 150 f/min, a max of 8 stops, and a max capacity of 3500. Otis's is 5000 pounds and a max speed of 500 f/min.
These elevators aren't really in the same category as far as use. Otis does make some smaller, underslung units that compete more directly with the 3300, but once you compare apples to apples, a builder would be forced to move to a 400A model from Schindler with steel cables as the suspension means (thus losing the primary benefit of a machine room-less, low maintenance 'belted' type of unit) to match speed and load.
Having worked on both quite comprehensively, the Otis and Schindler units (in my opinion) aren't in the same ballpark with regards to features and overall quality, even when comparing both the 400A/3300 versus the Gen2 line-up.
All of the above is just my opinion, by the way (aside from the load, speed, rise, and belt info.
Last edited by SEC Reject; 04/19/14 03:45 PM.
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