Hello

Is there a software or website for user manuals for lifts?

I mean that if I go to fix KONE, OTIS, THYSSEN, etc elevators and I can see error code or errorled on the control board...I could check the code or led meaning online in few seconds.

Like they have these sites and tools for cars...OBD codes http://www.obd-codes.com/

No, because when someone gets killed they look at who reset the fault. Better off getting an elevator company, people's life's are at stake.

There are no specific web sites that will supply you with this info for everything. All of the companies have proprietary info for the. Out part. If you are looking to find a specific error code for a specific problem I'm sure someone can help,you here..liability insurance for elevators is very high for a reason. Resetting an error code is not going to kill someone but you should have specific elevator experience if you work on them because if someone gets hurt you will have liability on your hands...understanding elevator basics can get you out of many problems and tenacity will get you a bit further. Having the basic fundamentally for elevator,troubleshooting and good friends will get you through....

zammy
you need to give the specific fault for that specific elevator and someone will try to help you. But Elev te 79 has it right, resetting a fault that you don't really understand can cause you some problems and there could be liability involved.

That's scary!

Well

I do not understand. Would it not be better to know the error code You are dealing with rather not knowing it ? Without knowing it You just reset the system not really knowing what was wrong in it?

What is the difference in liability between cars and lifts? Is it not allways a responsibility of company making the repairs?

And

I have to be more clear. My idea was that is there this kind of site for elevator professionals?

I do understand that repairs has to be allways be made by professionals.

Zammy,
As it has been explain already.

THERE IS NO SUCH SITE FOR ELEVATOR ERROR CODES.

Error codes are generally proprietary information that each manufacturer designates to each of their models. Many different models = many different codes!

Now let me try and explain the difference of liability from cars to elevators. The person who owns the car usually is the operator of the car. The people who use elevators expect the owner to maintain their safety while using thier elevator. If you are resetting the system, then you are not maintaining it safely. If someone is injured using your elevator, and you have a history of just resetting the elevator system, you are negligent and liable...

Let me ask are you the owner of the elevators?

Zammy,
I meant to include this as well. If Someone were to give you help and guidance in repairing an elevator. And someone was hurt after you tried to fix it yourself. Not only are you liable but so is that person.

I try keep this in mind while I am posting!

First
There is no such thing as propriety information. All the information has to handed ower if asked by the lift owner.

So this means that if this information is somewhere to be found and is correct as in the original manual You can not be responsible of any misstakes made at site.

If I tell my friend there is gun in My house and he goes and shoots somebody with this gun am I responsible for murder?

It's called copyright...easiest way to say it,,,someone owns it,,you have to pay to get it!

Not possible that this kind of information is under copyright.

That would be agains the free competition policy. At least in europe there is a law that restrict any company policy that is retricting free competition in the industry.

You can read more and be supriced

http://europa.eu/legislation_summaries/competition/index_en.htm

But it is still,copyright owned,,thst was a case years back of the the big four doing a cartel,,company owned things are copyright and can't be published anywhere without permission,,,includes,codes,as,well,,even if you are in usa,,still copyright belongs to whomever owns it!

You can write copyrite to any paper but it doeas not mean it IS copyright.

Big four OTIS, KONE, SCHINDLER and THYSSEN are actually continuing the cartel IF they claim this kind of information is under copyright and nobody else is permitted to publish this kind of information.

Nobody can not not own this kind of information!!! Of course they can say it´s copyright but in real life it is not.

If would publish error codes from OTIS manual to internet You really think they would sue me?

Maybe I should test this

This is as stupid as to claim that I cant sing a song in karaoke bar becouse I do not own copyrights to that song

Zammy,
Do you have the error codes you wish to have!

I suggest you call the company whose error codes you are seeking. And if they say "you can't have them" then you take the time and put your own money out and try and fight them.

When your done come on back and let us a know how you made out!

Source code, Windows has it as do other types of programs, these are the porperty of the manufacturer. They do the R&D, they spend the money and resources to come up with this stuff. If it was not copyrighted, there would'nt be any incentive to develop. As others have noted, this is NOT like "hacking" the source code on a PC, there are life safety issues involved, would you like to have to explain to the family of someone that was killed due too much knowledge and not enough wisdom?

jhk

I have lot of error codes. I might publish them all. I am safe.

Just for the sake of argument...I could claim that I have tested the lift and have these errorcodes under these conditions. For example I tested that if I prevent the door not close i get errorcode XXX, If I leave brake coil without power I get errorcode XXX. If I open the safety circuit from overspeed governor I get error code XXX, etc

Who is to say that I have not "self tested" tested all the error codes in the manual if I claim I have tested all the error codes in real life?

Is there a copyright preventing me to test all the error codes in real life and make my own "manual" for error codes?

I think not

Zammy

Try elevatorshack.com.