How do You know who´s elevator this is ? Maeby it is owned by me or my friend. Or meaby it is lift that work´s but is not in use ?!

Sorry Guys, Zammy is gone. This guy just doesn't get it.He is going to get himself hurt or get someone else hurt screwing with these elevators trying to make his point. I don't want to be part of it. I wish him well with his universal code site as long as Vatortrader is not part of his process. Good Luck Zammy..........

Admin,
Thank you!

Yes-thanks!

Very interesting thread

Zammy has some good points and I agree that the industry is corrupted. Tells a lot that he has been kicked out!

I think he has played You all when he has claimed that he has tested the codes. He has not made any test´s in real life. I think the point was made really clear when he got kicked out.

Sad...so sad. Open forum run by who???

E99,
"Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely"

Yes I agree with some of Zammy's points about the Industry not being perfect. However is making the information he is referring to public responsible or irresponsible?

Good point E99.

I think information is information. There is a lot of it thanks to internet.

Responsible or not when giving information. Good question as well !!

My personal opinion is that we live in the information age and it is good thing. Giving information out does not make anybody a bad person. It is true that there might be some unprofessional persons seeking this kind of information but I think it is a very minor %.

Sharing this information would generate more competition and more knowledge for the industry. This must be a good thing.

On the other hand like E99 refers is these unprofessionals. They could try to benifit this information and make some damage BUT it their own responcebility for sure.

Zammy did have a point that i agreed totally with, but it seemed like he was on a bit of a wind up mission and everyone took the bait.

I bet he had a good chuckle to himself when he finally go banned.

I don't know if banning Zammy was right or wrong and I also understand that it was a hard call. I do hope we are not limiting any opinions here or quelling any input. Zammy was getting a pretty good beat down with logic and common sense and I enjoyed the dialog. I was hoping to see more as good points were being made and I seriously doubt the information he was posting had any significance.

You can't help what people do with information and I think it should end there.

Why should anybody be held accountable other than myself if I decide to try and fix an airplane.

I'm simply trying to point out that limiting what we discuss here could diminish the purpose of this site.

Don't try and fix people here.

Any that's my stupid opinion.

Very intresting dialog endeed.

Check this tester out !!

http://elevatorerrorcodes.blogspot.com

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[quote=Otis Redding]Check this tester out

Oh Well.
Just when I was starting to feel sorry for Zammy's sad life

Ouvey....

He will get in trouble with the big four for sure, right ?

I think he is now on another forum spruking the same stuff!!!. I know what he was trying to achieve BUT still do not believe he was doing all the "tests" he said he was,In my opinion he was just rewriting information and trying to look like he knew more than what he did. And I know from experience the major companies take a very dim view of "information" being freely available, its all about ethics and intellectual property (I know I know please don't shoot the messenger)!!!

http://elevatorerrorcodes.blogspot.com

"Since I have not ever had any manuals for fixing the elevators I have had to make notes of all the real life situations on the callouts over the years. I hope my notes and test will help someone in the same situation. My test results can only give You some idea of the real problem in Your elevator troubleshooting. Be safe ! If You are not a elevator professional call one to fix Your elevator! If You have any manuals for elevator troubleshooting please send the manuals to me, thanks."

its all about ethics and intellectual property ??

Yes ethics, as in the thought of making all information freely available, means that same information can and will be freely abused. If some building manager uses your blog to troubleshoot his elevator and dies, will you simply hide behind your line of, get an elevator professional? Will you feel no remorse, or second doubts to posting all this stuff openly?

I can say this about my time in the trade, working for one of the big 4 of course, no information was ever unobtainable. If the information I needed was not readily available I was never expected to do the work. Maybe for the small Indy companies this is different, but I would expect the information that their techs have would cover 85-90% of all they would need, and that remaining 10-15%? That's what friends are for!

Feel free to post away though, will be an interesting read if the big 4 ever care to get involved. Just pray every night that no one ever gets hurt using your incomplete information.