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#5603 - 01/20/13 10:22 AM Re: Kone V3F16L reliability [Re: brada]  
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hey, sorry for delay,
that's right. there is nothing relevant to control pannel.
be sure & do it.

thanks

#5632 - 01/25/13 09:49 AM Re: Kone V3F16L reliability [Re: Dmhughes]  
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Try KDL16 drive + Pulse Generator.
It works. Less troubleshooting, less headaches.
Just a few connectors alteration needed.

#6289 - 03/18/13 10:05 AM Re: Kone V3F16L reliability [Re: JC3]  
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Hello. I identified all component (D328,U9,D38,etc ) with one exception: D22(same D25) marking V3Y . I need a help please!

#7075 - 05/17/13 09:22 AM Re: Kone V3F16L reliability [Re: deproba12]  
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Identifying the surface mounted parts on the main circuit board can be tricky if one does not have a reference book.
As the parts are arranged in two sets of three and usually only one set of parts, in each of the two sets, blows up a good solution is to use a scrap board for parts.
However, the small parts are all obtainable from Farnell for example.
Typically:
U10 is a J312 opto coupler; Farnell part 1085048
D17 = BYG22D; Farnell part 1021749
D32 = "YW" or MMSZ5V1; Farnell part 1431291
D23 = "V3V" or MMSZ7V5;Farnell part 1431295 but no longer stocked
D26 = D23
D328 = BUHC312 = SMBJ18A an 18V TVS diode; Farnell part 9843990
R64 12 ohm

The coding of the parts may vary slightly depending on the particular maker.

Sometimes one or more of the 220 ohm resistors on the back of the board fails and, as a matter of course, change the 47uF caps associated with a blown up set of diodes, although these could be OK.
I have an idea that many faults originate at the three relays, for example if a pair of contacts welds together.
Remove the plastic lid from the IGBT module and you can see what has happened.

#7382 - 06/17/13 04:09 PM Re: Kone V3F16L reliability [Re: Dmhughes]  
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i have the same problem i repaired all those part but it give 26 i cant access the parameter of inverter,please can you tell which part has the problem, this problem is with G02. the diode you ask you can replace it with mvc541

#7864 - 07/27/13 03:15 PM Re: Kone V3F16L reliability [Re: Dmhughes]  
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Hi all I just Join and I find very interesting topics, even in Italy many v3f16l break, faults and 0103 0102dovuti to problems of noise in the power supply, and the guides are not lubricated well, at the start goes into protection, excuse my English for beginner, cordial greetings to all, and good work onit53

#7870 - 07/27/13 07:00 PM Re: Kone V3F16L reliability [Re: onit53]  
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We've put a set of roller guides in one. Amazingly better ride quality, leveling accuracy and nuisance 61u/n cigar switch faults

#8250 - 08/25/13 03:00 PM Re: Kone V3F16L reliability [Re: gizmo07]  
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hello

0026 and 103 generally A2 board is damaged 。
Recommended replacement KDL16。

#8251 - 08/25/13 03:11 PM Re: Kone V3F16L reliability [Re: Dmhughes]  
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the device under investigation failed because of a failure in the
IGBT driver circuit together with failures in the following components: U17, D37, D36, D328,U11, U2, D24 in MCDR board&#12290.

#8252 - 08/25/13 03:16 PM Re: Kone V3F16L reliability [Re: Allan]  
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good

#8420 - 09/09/13 12:52 PM Re: Kone V3F16L reliability [Re: mike_zll]  
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I am told poor ventilation of machine room space can be a contributing factor as well as lack of rail lube as already mentioned.

There is a repair facility that also sells refurbished drives. They are based in the UK but have have a U.S. distributer. We used them for a replacement drive and it worked fine. Check out elevator-drives.com

#8462 - 09/13/13 03:01 AM Re: Kone V3F16L reliability [Re: Dmhughes]  
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The v3f16L is no longer avalable. There is a kdl16 conversion kit that is a snap to install. Heaps better runner and uses an encoder instead of the tacho. Do your self a favor and upgrade or you will be forever repairing v3f16L.

#8464 - 09/13/13 07:02 AM Re: Kone V3F16L reliability [Re: exkoneinsider]  
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I totally agree with you exkoneinsider, I've fit a few, a bit more of a fiddle to fit, but I would go as far as to say, I got a much better ride when setup too. Ive had to many bad experiences with The repaired V3F16L aswel!

Dave

#8555 - 09/24/13 09:48 AM Re: Kone V3F16L reliability [Re: Dmhughes]  
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i have changed the capacitor and the mos part of circuit and it work just for some hours and explode, maybe it is programmed to work for just some years

#8674 - 10/10/13 01:49 PM Re: Kone V3F16L reliability [Re: Edi_elevator]  
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hello all,
in fact after 23 igbt blown i realized where is their problem,
i can repair them with warranty minimal 5 year and with a good price, if someone is interested can contact me at ediengineer111@gmail.com

#8675 - 10/10/13 01:52 PM Re: Kone V3F16L reliability [Re: Edi_elevator]  
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so it is not necessary to spend that much money for kdl, they can be modified to be as strong as kdl

#8768 - 10/23/13 01:53 PM Re: Kone V3F16L reliability [Re: Edi_elevator]  
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Thanks Edi! since you repaired my v3f16l it still work very fine.
u saved me a lot of money,

#9091 - 11/25/13 10:04 AM Re: Kone V3F16L reliability [Re: Alan]  
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hello
All the inverter i repaired they are working fine, so the best choice is to repair them, because they are very strong inverter except this blow problem which i have made an modification to make them last at least 10 year after the repair, i have many time dealing with many kinds of inverter so i know very well their problems.
best regards

#9094 - 11/25/13 10:51 AM Re: Kone V3F16L reliability [Re: Dmhughes]  
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heloo,
i am using kene v3f16l drive. 0021 f-3 fault is showing. pls help me to short out the issue.

#9099 - 11/25/13 07:39 PM Re: Kone V3F16L reliability [Re: sumanlift]  
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Hi sumanlift,

21 is a safety fault, f3 is just fault No 3, what is f1 & f2 fault & is this the only problem you have, 21 fault will also appear when you are on RDF

Dave

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