Woot Woot, re-load now brought them up. In the vault. HN problem, my bad, upper right corner IOC CON44, don't plug CON38 into it. Just to make it known, TCH1 and TCH2 should have 24VDC on them. Guess what CON44 is TCH1and TCH2. Measured Voltage on TCH1 on CON11 and it was low on IOC but 24VDC on plug when un-plugged. That made me wonder what was dragging it down. Thank you Dirt.