thanks vic for the info. im just interested how everyhting works over there as weve been told wages are very high(here is at about base rate 65k) and we are in one of the top occupations in the us. not sure if this is true. dont worry about the bloke who is clueless as weve had discussions about this as well. just cos you passed a minimal test doesnt make you smart, just book retentive. i knew a newly crowned mechanic who was working at the rialto building(which at the time was the tallest building in aus)with a guy who was told to replace the fluoro tubes in the sky rise m/room. at lunch told the lead mechanic yep its all done. we got a call later that day and half the fluoro's were still out and was asked about it and he said 'all you aked me to do was change the tubes!!' this guy was an a grade sparky and lift mechanic. go figure!!