yes sir I was getting VP 14 faults, I never once saw the M contactor pull in...the P2 was the only one pulling in but good info Thxs

With elev on 2nd landing I had a mis match with Red led NTSI input off and Green ETS output on...it was difficult to troubleshoot the ETS boards in bottom of controller with original ice cube relays, hard to tell if they were picked or not so I replaced them all along with the ETS and NTS ones on upper swing panel board with the user friendly IDEC ones with LED and the elevator took right off, observed operation for an hour with no issues.
Wish I could report what the smoking gun was and issue may vary well come back.

Someone did mount a ice cube relay that when pushed it pulled in M contactor(nice way to verify good coil)....didn't trace wires out so not sure what the purpose was

Hats off to the Gents with all the Miprom knowledge....those can be a real Bear!