thanks for the info guys, the batteries are old, they don't have any monitors on them, the route guy has monitored the voltage and said it was fine, but if it can't supply the current like green pants indicates, maybe the transistor shuts off when it should be on. I think i will have them replace the batteries, they are definitely old, and it could not make the performance any worse. thanks again guys. Hey vic, I work for a company that makes a couple million dollars profit a year, they can't afford a scope, that would bring there profit down to 1,998,000 dollars, unacceptable to the bean counters. hey uppo, I was not sure what a flyback diode was either, just saw it in the mrvf literature. do a google search for more info, but basically it is diode that is connected to a circuit to keep the large voltage that appears when a current is suddenly removed from the circuit from damaging components in the circuit. you see these sometimes across relay contacts, to keep the contacts from arcing when opening with hi current still flowing. you also see them in relay coil , brake coil circuits,etc. they keep the collapsing magnetic field voltage/current in the coil circuit, not allowing it to stray to other circuits. thats how i see it anyway.