already know all that info but thanks, and no he isn't doing amything.It's not access and if you read my post one 77 light is on and one is off. The only reason I pointed that out is that I stated it acts like it's got a stuck normal and if I'm not mistaken the 77 u and n are the nts limits the 77s is just for a short floor. I wasnt real clear on some things though when I push the inspection button all relays pick and I get all the normal start run lights but one. I think its run permit? It's the one near the top of the row of run lights on the cpu board. Like I said I am very well versed in alot of this controller. I have all the manuals and tech reports and troubleshooting guides, this is probably blindingly simple and I am the blind man. I actually had one that had the nts cigar switch wires switched in the cartop. this created a similar problem but not quite like this. BTW that one was tougher than you would think to figure out. It doesn't run from cartop, but how would you get to it car is at top floor.In car switch is not on insp. Thanks for the input though it's greatly appreciated.

Last edited by aquadag; 05/03/12 03:47 AM.