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#15888 - 01/18/16 02:58 PM
Wheel-o-vator Roped Hydraulic governor operation
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I apologize in advance for the long story. I go to a small church; we have a 5/6-yr old roped hydraulic elevator that gets very modest use. Maybe up & down 3-4 times a week. I do most of the maintenance on the facilities in my spare time. My elevator maintenance company does a minimal inspect/lubricate twice a year by my contract. And then they have to have two guys present at my annual inspection. I was present at the last annual inspection. I wasn't hovering over the guys; I was in the next room doing some other stuff. They spent about 30 minutes trying to make the overspeed/governor safety activate with no success. I got the impression we were still passing the inspection from the state inspector (New Jersey) but I guess what he meant was we could continue to operate. That day, the elevator maintenance co. said it should be no big deal to fix it. Then we got the write-up from the state inspector stating the fault on the governor. Ok, fine, I proceed to get ahead of things and get my elevator co. in to do the governor repair in plenty of time for the re-inspection which will no be at the semi-annual. (which normally doesn't require my co. to be there but will now) I call to get them in to do the (supposed to be simple) repair and was told they have no idea what needs doing, they don't get the inspector's report, please send it. I do that and about a month later I get an email saying that basically the repairs were done that day & the faults are do to water damage (I am still dealing with keeping water out of the pit) and that will be taken care of with their October (pre-annual inspection) proposal. But that proposal was a $2800 bill to just scrape and paint the 'pit equipment' which I did myself before the annual inspection, rather than pay elevator repair labor rates for paint work. I immediately call and get put through to someone that is the service coordinator and after explaining the proposal was just paint work, he says the governor rope needs shortening. He's not sure when this was determined to be a needed repair but that he can see it in pictures(?) He reiterates that the governor safety activation issue is fixed. I call and after a few days speak with the state inspector who says, no, nothing was fixed that day. Otherwise there wouldn't have been a fail report. So: If anyone can suggest a course of action? I am considering learning how to test the governor safety myself but it seems to be a two man job. I am not certain if the testing that day was simply manually swinging the counterweight but the inspector explained that this was one way of testing it. The "governor rope shortening" job is proposed at $2000. Again, thank you for any advice. Here are a few pictures of the unit: [img:center] http://s234.photobucket.com/user/deanm11/media/015_2.jpg.html[/img] [img:center] http://s234.photobucket.com/user/deanm11/media/016_2.jpg.html[/img] [img:center] http://s234.photobucket.com/user/deanm11/media/017_2.jpg.html[/img] [img:center] http://s234.photobucket.com/user/deanm11/media/020_2.jpg.html[/img]
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#15897 - 01/19/16 03:25 AM
Re: Wheel-o-vator Roped Hydraulic governor operation
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This is my ideas just from the basic pic's, but done take this as gospel.The pic's are showing the tension carriage for the governor rope. The rope does appear to have some very minor kinks and showing some orange tinges so it may be the start of rust. If so the rope does need replacing. As to tension (of which these kinks then may be ok), if you notice the centre bolt in the middle of the tension diverter sheave, is the floating point for the whole system and is supposed to float or move up and down. You have painted the area, so check and make sure this can move and is free and maybe lube it with grease. The black weights are supposed to regulate this float. With the bolt in the centre of opening and with the rope a little loose, the rope may need shortening. As to get the unit to over speed, I don't think you will be able to do that, but we have had a switch on the controller(not sure on this equipment) to trigger the fly ball action on the governor to activate this, to test everything. In my experience these governors get actioned by bouncing of the lift or governor rope sticking and lifting.
Last edited by uppo72; 01/19/16 03:28 AM.
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#15947 - 01/24/16 10:31 PM
Re: Wheel-o-vator Roped Hydraulic governor operation
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#15949 - 01/25/16 02:49 AM
Re: Wheel-o-vator Roped Hydraulic governor operation
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Dean most of the equipment in those photos relate to the hoisting ropes on the acceding ram, and the safety gear. You need to show the governor at the top of the shaft, but maybe you cant safely. Don't do any thing unsafe or what you aren't qualified to do. Understood, thank you for explaining. I thought the 10kg weight at the bottom was related to the governor/overspeed mechanism. I will try to determine why next steps in getting this unit ready for re-inspection.
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#15956 - 01/25/16 10:39 PM
Re: Wheel-o-vator Roped Hydraulic governor operation
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Dean most of the equipment in those photos relate to the hoisting ropes on the acceding ram, and the safety gear. You need to show the governor at the top of the shaft, but maybe you cant safely. Don't do any thing unsafe or what you aren't qualified to do. Understood, thank you for explaining. I thought the 10kg weight at the bottom was related to the governor/overspeed mechanism. I will try to determine why next steps in getting this unit ready for re-inspection. Actually the governor diverter sheave is related to the overspeed operation, but the latest photos near the ram and underneath the lift car are related to safety gear( which is related to the overspeed operation) and a bit about the hoisting rope. But lets simplify the issue. What I meant was the actual governor would be at the top of the shaft and that is what is determines how the lift over speeds.
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#15985 - 01/28/16 03:25 AM
Re: Wheel-o-vator Roped Hydraulic governor operation
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#16008 - 01/30/16 10:00 PM
Re: Wheel-o-vator Roped Hydraulic governor operation
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Dean, The governor is as I suspected. The governor model on your unit is not equipped with a secondary sheave. The secondary sheave allows you to overspeed the governor.
In your first post, you said your current service provider was try to overspeed the elevator. My question is how did they do this on the prior tests? JKH, the secondary sheave your talking about, is this a method to trigger a overspeed action? Got a picture?
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#16010 - 01/31/16 01:35 AM
Re: Wheel-o-vator Roped Hydraulic governor operation
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I have over speed a roped hydro by first spinning gov to get speeds then take to top floor an send down turn down speed on valve to get to set you be surprised how fast it will set.hopefully they don't have rupture valve in pit.
Last edited by DripCan; 01/31/16 01:37 AM.
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